Comments on: My Job and Welcome to It http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56 a new media company Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:12:18 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John Conti http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-4804 John Conti Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:03:20 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-4804 Well, stupid RnR's like me are going to make this all worse of course with our quick draw opinions. However opinions, if they are seen as that, can often form a backdrop with which to see the original story more clearly. It is an irony of human perception that entertaining the widest variety of opinion actually helps us feel better about making choices in the center, or moderate range. Weird, us humans, but hey... The overall devaluation of industries by the Internet is a hot topic, and likely in the current economy to get hotter. So on a RnR tangent, that I think really is related, I offer: http://john-conti.com/gin/1062/internet-luddites-attack/ Thanks for the awesome post. Cheers, John Well, stupid RnR’s like me are going to make this all worse of course with our quick draw opinions. However opinions, if they are seen as that, can often form a backdrop with which to see the original story more clearly. It is an irony of human perception that entertaining the widest variety of opinion actually helps us feel better about making choices in the center, or moderate range. Weird, us humans, but hey…

The overall devaluation of industries by the Internet is a hot topic, and likely in the current economy to get hotter. So on a RnR tangent, that I think really is related, I offer:

http://john-conti.com/gin/1062/internet-luddites-attack/

Thanks for the awesome post.

Cheers,
John

]]> By: Mark Asher http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-4057 Mark Asher Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:46:52 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-4057 You can't even really blame Google -- if they didn't do it, someone else would, because the demand is there. Now maybe you can blame IDG a bit -- perhaps they should have a compensation structure that gives writers more when the story is syndicated. I often click on links in blogs to read the original story. If I don't, it means the summary of the story in the blog didn't interest me enough. I don't really see this stealing ad revenue unless the blogger lifts the story whole and doesn't link back. You can’t even really blame Google — if they didn’t do it, someone else would, because the demand is there.

Now maybe you can blame IDG a bit — perhaps they should have a compensation structure that gives writers more when the story is syndicated.

I often click on links in blogs to read the original story. If I don’t, it means the summary of the story in the blog didn’t interest me enough. I don’t really see this stealing ad revenue unless the blogger lifts the story whole and doesn’t link back.

]]> By: More on the demise of the professional journalist « Freelance Unbound http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-4010 More on the demise of the professional journalist « Freelance Unbound Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:43 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-4010 [...] on the demise of the professional journalist Jump to Comments Here’s a good essay from Dan Tynan on the pressure faced by “real” journalists (ie those who spend time doing original research, rather than regurgitating other people’s [...] [...] on the demise of the professional journalist Jump to Comments Here’s a good essay from Dan Tynan on the pressure faced by “real” journalists (ie those who spend time doing original research, rather than regurgitating other people’s [...]

]]> By: Simon Clarke http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-4008 Simon Clarke Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:19:50 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-4008 All of this is true, but I think misses the key, and uncomfortable, point that journalism isn't as important to most people as journalists think it is. (I am one, so I speak from a certain knowledge). The problem with the grocery store/hunt it yourself analogy is that we really do need to eat, but we really don't need to read well-researched articles on whatever topic it may be. I mean, it's nice, but it's optional. So, a future of more-or-less informed babble with little or no "real" investigative reporting? Could well be. And there isn't much we, on the supply side of the equation, can do about it. All of this is true, but I think misses the key, and uncomfortable, point that journalism isn’t as important to most people as journalists think it is. (I am one, so I speak from a certain knowledge).

The problem with the grocery store/hunt it yourself analogy is that we really do need to eat, but we really don’t need to read well-researched articles on whatever topic it may be. I mean, it’s nice, but it’s optional.

So, a future of more-or-less informed babble with little or no “real” investigative reporting? Could well be. And there isn’t much we, on the supply side of the equation, can do about it.

]]> By: Make the Jump: Hack Life, Welcome to My Job, Fear of Success « PR Musings Weblog http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-3854 Make the Jump: Hack Life, Welcome to My Job, Fear of Success « PR Musings Weblog Wed, 27 May 2009 21:41:52 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-3854 [...] There have been many missives back and forth about both the death of journalism, and the so-called  decline of what is considered ‘news’ and ‘the media’ due to the rise of voices in the social media realm. While I believe there are points to be made on both sides, check that – all sides, of the argument over the future of how we define news, journalist Tynan Wood makes great points in his blog rant My Job and Welcome To It [...] [...] There have been many missives back and forth about both the death of journalism, and the so-called  decline of what is considered ‘news’ and ‘the media’ due to the rise of voices in the social media realm. While I believe there are points to be made on both sides, check that – all sides, of the argument over the future of how we define news, journalist Tynan Wood makes great points in his blog rant My Job and Welcome To It [...]

]]> By: Bob Lee http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-3826 Bob Lee Tue, 26 May 2009 21:21:32 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-3826 I take Dave Winer's point to mean that sources should and will get more involved, not that they will replace journos. I agree that generalist summaries are good, but sometimes I want to dig deeper and draw my own conclusions. For example, a one-sentence comment made by Bill Clinton in SC during the last presidential election was repeated by dozens of journalists, yet I had a terrible time finding the original conversation. Once I finally tracked down the original context, it turned out that I completely disagreed with the journalists' conclusions. I suspect that those journalists hadn't read the full conversation themselves. I take Dave Winer’s point to mean that sources should and will get more involved, not that they will replace journos. I agree that generalist summaries are good, but sometimes I want to dig deeper and draw my own conclusions.

For example, a one-sentence comment made by Bill Clinton in SC during the last presidential election was repeated by dozens of journalists, yet I had a terrible time finding the original conversation. Once I finally tracked down the original context, it turned out that I completely disagreed with the journalists’ conclusions. I suspect that those journalists hadn’t read the full conversation themselves.

]]> By: dantynan http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-3817 dantynan Tue, 26 May 2009 13:18:38 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-3817 @phong: thank you for your optimism. I'm happy to accept personal checks, if you're in a generous mood. ;) dt @phong:

thank you for your optimism. I’m happy to accept personal checks, if you’re in a generous mood. ;)

dt

]]> By: Phong Le http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-3811 Phong Le Tue, 26 May 2009 09:40:43 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-3811 Blogging is not and was not created as a reaction to you and other journalist. It is a reaction to the corporate gatekeepers (ie, The New York Times Co, the Tribune Co, etc) who decide certain people's ideas are fit to print and disseminate and others are not. The gatekeepers are the main losers in this battle. If the fight will cost you and your colleagues jobs, don't take it personally. It was never about you. If you love reporting news, continue doing it. The money will come. Blogging is not and was not created as a reaction to you and other journalist. It is a reaction to the corporate gatekeepers (ie, The New York Times Co, the Tribune Co, etc) who decide certain people’s ideas are fit to print and disseminate and others are not. The gatekeepers are the main losers in this battle. If the fight will cost you and your colleagues jobs, don’t take it personally. It was never about you.

If you love reporting news, continue doing it. The money will come.

]]> By: dantynan http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-3801 dantynan Tue, 26 May 2009 01:15:11 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-3801 @chuck: you are absolutely right about the art. thanks for pointing that out. I am usually pretty good about this on my blogs. the reason I didn't here was because my source was wikipedia. still, I should have used a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Myworldhome.jpg this shot is of course from the TV Show "My World and Welcome to It," starring William Windham and based on characters from James Thurber's writing. it was a favorite of mine growing up, and introduced me to Thurber, who remains one of my literary heroes. depatie freleng went out of biz in 1981. most of the assets were sold to what is now marvel studios. do they own the copyright to this? lord knows. my questions: does using a screen capture from a 40-year-old TV show to illustrate a blog entry constitute fair use? at what point does the copyright on this sort of thing expire? I really don't know the answer to these. dt @chuck:

you are absolutely right about the art. thanks for pointing that out. I am usually pretty good about this on my blogs. the reason I didn’t here was because my source was wikipedia. still, I should have used a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Myworldhome.jpg

this shot is of course from the TV Show “My World and Welcome to It,” starring William Windham and based on characters from James Thurber’s writing. it was a favorite of mine growing up, and introduced me to Thurber, who remains one of my literary heroes.

depatie freleng went out of biz in 1981. most of the assets were sold to what is now marvel studios. do they own the copyright to this? lord knows.

my questions: does using a screen capture from a 40-year-old TV show to illustrate a blog entry constitute fair use? at what point does the copyright on this sort of thing expire? I really don’t know the answer to these.

dt

]]> By: Chuck Welch http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-3793 Chuck Welch Mon, 25 May 2009 17:45:39 +0000 http://tynanwood.com/blog/?p=56#comment-3793 Interesting piece. I'm sure it expresses the feelings of many in the industry. No matter the rhetoric, I don't think anyone really believes the reporter will die out. It's one of the older professions, and has survived numerous changes in technology. Copy editors, managing editors, delivery people...well, that's another story. They're being kicked to the curb far too fast. I have to ask, based on your point about those bloggers stealing your work without even a byline, where did you get the art? Too many writers forget that the artists and photographers are in the same boat. Please show some link love for James Thurber and DePatie-Freleng. Interesting piece. I’m sure it expresses the feelings of many in the industry.

No matter the rhetoric, I don’t think anyone really believes the reporter will die out. It’s one of the older professions, and has survived numerous changes in technology. Copy editors, managing editors, delivery people…well, that’s another story. They’re being kicked to the curb far too fast.

I have to ask, based on your point about those bloggers stealing your work without even a byline, where did you get the art? Too many writers forget that the artists and photographers are in the same boat. Please show some link love for James Thurber and DePatie-Freleng.

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